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		<title>By: Bill Palladino</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 18:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yo Veggies:  

Agreed.  There&#039;s an important caveat though.  Governmental bodies, if not allowing for Q&amp;A in a formal meeting, need to find another forum for public engagement. I think its fair to ask public officials questions such as: &quot;Can you tell me what research you&#039;ve done on the subject outside the meeting?&quot; or &quot;Can you clarify why you are negative about this issue?&quot;  Citizens have a right to ask and know this stuff.  Too often officials simply hide behind some false pretense of formality.  &quot;We don&#039;t have to answer your questions!&quot;  

What I&#039;m aiming for is an ambiance of openness where the chairperson asks for public comment, clarifying that we only have time to take pure comments and not questions.  Then to have this followed up immediately with an invitation for the proper venue to have this discovery.  Avoiding this interaction breeds mistrust and really doesn&#039;t serve anyone in the long run. In lieu of such bi-directional communication, officials should be prepared to offer clear justification and background for their decisions in the meetings.  &quot;I&#039;m voting this way because....,&quot; etc.

In terms of Traverse City, I think we&#039;re well along the path to a better public process. Recent City-sponsored forums are just the recipe we need. And just to be clear these ten points were not designed with Traverse City in mind.  They should work as universal tenets for any community.

I recognize the balance, and as a professional facilitator know too well the downside of meetings that have too little structure.  If we can move meetings somewhere in the middle it might be a very different world.  Thanks for reading.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo Veggies:  </p>
<p>Agreed.  There&#8217;s an important caveat though.  Governmental bodies, if not allowing for Q&amp;A in a formal meeting, need to find another forum for public engagement. I think its fair to ask public officials questions such as: &#8220;Can you tell me what research you&#8217;ve done on the subject outside the meeting?&#8221; or &#8220;Can you clarify why you are negative about this issue?&#8221;  Citizens have a right to ask and know this stuff.  Too often officials simply hide behind some false pretense of formality.  &#8220;We don&#8217;t have to answer your questions!&#8221;  </p>
<p>What I&#8217;m aiming for is an ambiance of openness where the chairperson asks for public comment, clarifying that we only have time to take pure comments and not questions.  Then to have this followed up immediately with an invitation for the proper venue to have this discovery.  Avoiding this interaction breeds mistrust and really doesn&#8217;t serve anyone in the long run. In lieu of such bi-directional communication, officials should be prepared to offer clear justification and background for their decisions in the meetings.  &#8220;I&#8217;m voting this way because&#8230;.,&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>In terms of Traverse City, I think we&#8217;re well along the path to a better public process. Recent City-sponsored forums are just the recipe we need. And just to be clear these ten points were not designed with Traverse City in mind.  They should work as universal tenets for any community.</p>
<p>I recognize the balance, and as a professional facilitator know too well the downside of meetings that have too little structure.  If we can move meetings somewhere in the middle it might be a very different world.  Thanks for reading.</p>
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		<title>By: veggiesintc</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 17:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill,
  The (your) 10 rules are very informative and should be part of every organization&#039;s rules.  I would like to add a comment about # 6 rule; while it is helpful to ask questions of your local officials, I would never expect them to answer during a public meeting.  (From experience, you just nod, thank them, and take it.) For good or for bad, we have a (voters only) representative form of government.  Those officials represent the majority of the voters and those who we&#039;ve elected should not have to debate members of the public during a public comment session.  Those sessions are just that - the public comment session.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,<br />
  The (your) 10 rules are very informative and should be part of every organization&#8217;s rules.  I would like to add a comment about # 6 rule; while it is helpful to ask questions of your local officials, I would never expect them to answer during a public meeting.  (From experience, you just nod, thank them, and take it.) For good or for bad, we have a (voters only) representative form of government.  Those officials represent the majority of the voters and those who we&#8217;ve elected should not have to debate members of the public during a public comment session.  Those sessions are just that &#8211; the public comment session.</p>
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		<title>By: John R. Williams</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 11:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary, your ten-point thoughts are universally brilliant and in-your-face correct.  Every citizen of the US should read and internalize these ten points....these are the lessons and the facts of life not being taught....at least I never heard this in school!  

I have served on public bodies and I was painfully aware of the desks facing the audience and the no-man&#039;s land in-between.  Now, speaking to an official body feels more like being on trial, talking to a Grand Jury.  I feel like I&#039;m being judged, instead of encouraged, to share my thoughts with &#039;leaders&#039;.  I rarely feel a spirit of collaboration, or get feedback from a board of leaders.  If they are so smart, pro-active and powerful, why are there so many problems?  The more minds there are, tackling a challenge, the faster and better the answer is attained.  

I can&#039;t believe I&#039;m saying this, but maybe we need to take a lesson from TV Talent shows, and have the &#039;judges&#039; (leaders) all speak their minds after each live act.  It would force them to pay attention and share their thoughts.  Time limits would become critical, however. (I just hope I won&#039;t get booted off the show with a low score card).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, your ten-point thoughts are universally brilliant and in-your-face correct.  Every citizen of the US should read and internalize these ten points&#8230;.these are the lessons and the facts of life not being taught&#8230;.at least I never heard this in school!  </p>
<p>I have served on public bodies and I was painfully aware of the desks facing the audience and the no-man&#8217;s land in-between.  Now, speaking to an official body feels more like being on trial, talking to a Grand Jury.  I feel like I&#8217;m being judged, instead of encouraged, to share my thoughts with &#8216;leaders&#8217;.  I rarely feel a spirit of collaboration, or get feedback from a board of leaders.  If they are so smart, pro-active and powerful, why are there so many problems?  The more minds there are, tackling a challenge, the faster and better the answer is attained.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m saying this, but maybe we need to take a lesson from TV Talent shows, and have the &#8216;judges&#8217; (leaders) all speak their minds after each live act.  It would force them to pay attention and share their thoughts.  Time limits would become critical, however. (I just hope I won&#8217;t get booted off the show with a low score card).</p>
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		<title>By: GLHowe</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 11:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Worth checking out in relation to this post is photographer Paul Shambroom&#039;s  Meetings Series &lt;strong&gt;http://bit.ly/9bmoPp 
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After seeing this photo series a couple years ago it has really changed how I view and sit through meetings. Not to make our mayor self-conscious, but it is really intriguing to study the body language of the folks &quot;up there in front&quot;. Often, more is said in what they don&#039;t say and how they say it. Really, it&#039;s true for all of us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worth checking out in relation to this post is photographer Paul Shambroom&#8217;s  Meetings Series <strong><a href="http://bit.ly/9bmoPp" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/9bmoPp</a><br />
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After seeing this photo series a couple years ago it has really changed how I view and sit through meetings. Not to make our mayor self-conscious, but it is really intriguing to study the body language of the folks &#8220;up there in front&#8221;. Often, more is said in what they don&#8217;t say and how they say it. Really, it&#8217;s true for all of us.</p>
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