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Around we go, yet another entry in the series about roundabouts

Weekly Occasional Poll

There’s no new poll this week, however, the results from last week’s poll are in and it’s conclusive…Traverse City supports roundabouts!

OK, I’m not that naive. There remains a lot of fear and misunderstanding about them, as well as some genuine dislike. Still, nothing has been presented as substantial evidence to discredit them. All we have is what’s to be expected: the unknown & change is unpopular; the human animal is like that.

Before we get to the MyWHaT poll, the Record Eagle also asked their readers about roundabouts. They asked, Would roundabouts make Traverse City a safer place to drive? The results were predictable: 63% No, 28% Yes.

There question isn’t all that useful.

Why ask the general public to make that call? Just ask them if they like or don’t like roundabouts, because that’s how people will answer that question. It is irrelevant whether people believe that roundies ‘would make Traverse City safer’ when they have little or no experience with them. If the Record Eagle wanted to ask about safety, they’d have been better to ask: Do you believe the professional data showing that roundabouts are safer than signalized intersections? It’s more significant knowing whether or not the public believes the data being presented than to ask them to make a technical call.

The numbers for MyWHaT’s poll are obviously not as reflective of the general public as the Record Eagle, although I think a case could be made that neither does the Record Eagle’s readers reflect the general public’s mood. Neither are scientific; the main exercise being entertainment. The early adapters and the early naysayers are all going to be more inclined to vote or comment than the general public.

Still, what I believe this BLOG’s poll can show is that there is a large number of people in the community who are ready for something different and who are willing to make it happen (the vast majority being within city limits).

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In addition to the above numbers, 25 people who answered the question expressed an interest to help advocate for this corridor by including an email address (we will be in touch).

So, where do we go from here?

Small groups are meeting to discuss the roundabout solution and some of them are random, some of them are organized. I’ve overheard discussions about them in the confines of the governmental center, on the street, over a beer at Right Brain and yesterday morning the Grand Vision transportation committee briefly discussed them (no real news there.)

It’s all part of the process; something this city loves.  Somehow a definitive choice will be made. I trust it will be made based on facts and information and not popularity polls that may or not be being answered by informed participants.

These scientific polling results from the Institute of Transportation Engineers’study of the public acceptance of roundabouts is a reminder that this is not a popularity context. Notice something compared to the RE poll?

Somehow, despite public resistance, they are being implemented in other places…

I will now try to shut-up about the roundies for a while…

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  1. Lee Maynard
    May 5, 2010 at 1:15 pm | #1

    GOOOOOOO roundabouts!

  2. Will
    May 5, 2010 at 1:24 pm | #2

    I concur Lee! I love roundabouts!! As a Driver and pedestrian I win with a roundabout

  3. Raymond
    May 5, 2010 at 3:54 pm | #3

    Gary; Good points on “non representative sampling”; mainly good for entertainment value, and revealing make-up of audience. The best nugget you have posted today is the ITE Poll at the bottom. That says a lot. To win people over to Rbts, I think we need to acknowledge our shared human nature, but counter anti-Rbt gut reactions with FACTS. There was probably a similar community discussion regarding electrification and indoor plumbing. Keep up the good work.

  4. Matthew Ross
    May 5, 2010 at 4:12 pm | #4

    Gary,
    I also agree with your points as well. Polls can always be worded in a way to achieve the outcome that you want.

  5. Rob
    May 5, 2010 at 5:10 pm | #5

    Well I hate to be the one to burst the happy bubble, but, while I understand the value of you poll for entertainment purpose, a mere 70 people out of a population of 15,000 in the city does not represent a darn thing other than you have 70 people who visit your site. Also, so you don’t think I am on the R-E’s side, they have almost 1400 votes on their poll which isn’t even 1% of the population, so neither side can claim squat.

    • May 5, 2010 at 5:43 pm | #6

      Not sure what happy bubble you refer to, or if that is intended as a cut of some sort, but point taken about the numbers. Didn’t intend to imply that 70 was significant other than to say that there is support in town for the Division St. design.

      I don’t completely agree with Matthew; polls can be useful and scientific polls have a particular value. Patterns can be studied to help inform our decisions. Obviously, that sophistication is missing in my post other than the ITE study.

      I appreciate comments from all viewpoints. Thanks.

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